Talk:Chrono Cross

FA sweeps notes

Looks like the following sources would probably not be considered reliable today:

• Chrono Compendium (used multiple times, hosted interviews or game rulebook
• Games are fun is inconclusive at WP:VGRS, likely does not meet the high-quality RS requirement of FA.
• Symphonic Fantasies
• It looks like Square Enix is only considered reliable at VGRS for certain things (staff content and no biographies), needs to be checked to make sure square enix is only being cited for such things.
• N Sider is unreliable.

Needs some work to remove questionable sources and replace with RS, but should be fixable. Hog Farm _Talk 02:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposals are:

• For the Compendium—two of the sources support features of the game that are native to the game, but otherwise do not have a convenient source (there being 12 endings, etc.)—is it OK to just leave these uncited, or cite the game itself? The references were added back in the day just to prevent some cheeky, smug bastard from tacking on a "citation needed" for common knowledge. The Liner Notes citation can be changed to reference the Chrono Cross music release itself, so no problem there. Done (media cite implemented for liner notes)
• Games Are Fun—Simple enough to just change the citation to Deep Labyrinth's own credits/the game release itself Done
• Symphonic Fantasies—I suppose I'll try and find a German news source with a set list evidencing that Chrono Cross was performed Done (forgot, this was recorded and released as a CD with full credits, so that is now the citation)
• I need to check the Final Fantasy featured articles in this case—I suspect that the nature of the citations here (Ultimania/Missing Piece) are consistent with those. These SE publications often contain irreplaceable looks at development history. I need to find the consensus on VG Project... Deferred in line with comments below
• N Sider is only being cited for speculation about the release timing of something that came out a few years ago now, so I will probably just remove the factoid. Deferred - didn't realize, it is supporting Mitsuda's desire to compose for a new Chrono game. Given that the interview literally depicts the interviewer photographed with Mitsuda, I would hope it rises above the typical "fan e-mailed a developer" type self-publications

I'll confirm when these changes have been made. ZeaLitY [ Talk - Activity ] 17:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

There seems to be a little confusion here- Square Enix is reliable, the "staff content and no biographies" is for Square Enix Music Online, which is unrelated to the company (and since renamed to VGMOnline besides). SEMO/VGMO is not used as a source in this article. Speaking of that site, the Symphonic Fantasies article uses it as the source for the setlist, though note that the concert has been performed in 2012 (in Tokyo and Cologne) and 2016 (in Tokyo) as well, and two albums were released, all including the Chrono arrangement. --PresN 19:09, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we generally look the other way on the Chrono Compendium stuff just because we're largely not citing them, but rather, media they've collected, often in the form of print media from reliable sources. Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020

Has everything above been addressed? Concerned about excessive amount of quoted text (should be paraphrased in our own words to a greater extent). David Fuchs are you able to add any assessment for URFA? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

No response, adding to WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Xenogears originating as a sequel to Chrono Trigger

This statement in the first line of the "Development" category:

"Square began planning Chrono Cross immediately after the release of Xenogears in 1998 (which itself was originally conceived as a sequel to the SNES game)"

may be contradicted by Xenogears' own article, which states at different points that Xenogears was originally conceived as the seventh Final Fantasy game or as a Chrono Trigger sequel. The link to the first assertion in the Xenogears article is to an article that no longer exists, while the link to the second assertion is in Japanese with no English translation.

Meanwhile, the closest link in the Chrono Cross article is at the end of the next sentence, which links an interview with Masato Kato in which he states about developing the idea for Chrono Cross that "It was right about the time we finished making "Xenogears". This seems to refute the idea of Xenogears as a potential sequel to Chrono Trigger.

I'm doing a little research for an article here, and just looking to clarify this, when I run into three different perspectives on the issue with all sorts of sourcing issues, so I just wanted to bring those issues to someone's attention. I didn't edit because I don't know which version of events is true (although considering we're dealing with Chrono, at least "contradictory versions of reality" is thematically consistent!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.162.56 (talk) 17:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I've read into all of this in the past, and I believe that I found both claims to be true. I think the very earliest planning stages were very fluid, and at points, very very early ideas for Xenogears were considered for entries of Final Fantasy and Chrono games. I think they eventually felt that they thematically didn't fit into either series, and made it into its own thing, Xenogears, instead. Sergecross73 msg me 17:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Reviews

• Backstab #24

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